...deocamdată doar celor care au testat versiunile Beta și/sau RC de Windows Vista, așa cum a anunțat

And just where is this download of SP1 available at?I have been running the sp1 beta since the day it came out.I tried windows update and nothing there but a junk mail filter.Any ideas?

Link for me in Italy?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Un importante aggiornamento sulla disponibilità (molto attesa!) di Windows Vista SP1, riguardante

Nice call.  I was planning on coming in this weekend and rolling my work machine back to XP, but now that I don't have to wait six weeks, I'll give you guys a chance.  

Hi Guys - Where can I report issues with Vista SP1? I did download a while ago SP1 and whenever I Log in to my computer with RDP,right thereafter I canot log in to My Vista it blanks out!

TIA

Leo

This just in... Mike Nash just announced on the Windows Vista Team Blog some specific availability dates

This is at least a start :-)

Still not good enough.  If the bits are gold, I want them.  What purpose does it serve to make me, a full price Windows Ultimate user, who is willing to risk having to reinstall a device driver, wait for 6 more weeks?

I can't figure out how that's better for MS and its sure not better for me.

I don’t think I had the opportunity to register for it through the connect site, otherwise I would have.  So it looks like I still have to wait until mid March then since I don’t have volume licensing, a MSDN, or A TechNet subscription…  I would have thought that my many days of troubleshooting the SP1 RC and RC refresh on my home machines, as well as working with Vista on home and work machines (both x64 and x86) since Beta 2, would have done something to get SP1 a little earlier than 6 months after the RTM…guess not… :(

As I forecast when I posted the news of Vista  SP1's release the delay in making it widely available

I meant 6 weeks, not months, although it does feel that way...

Nur eine kurze Notiz - die Vorbereitungen für die deutsche Launchveranstaltung nächste Woche brauchen

@Korn1699

Yea i new what you meant, even though it does feel like 6 months not weeks.  Been using Vista since the CTP release and i would like to get my hands on the RTM for file move issues =(, oh well.. I dont have access to it via any of those resources either.

As a network support engineer and desktop tech i would like to be able to test this as soon as possible. The driver issue isnt a big deal to me as i can fix that problem, i think MS should release it on the Download Center for those of us who have the tech know how to fix this kind of minor issue

> "We are listening!"

If you were really listening, you would have released this on TechNet and MSDN already.  Why would you keep final code out of IT personnel and developers hands for no reason?  You need to afford them as much time as possible to test this service pack.

IT personnel and developers already have a hard enough time testing compatibility with new versions of Windows and new service packs without you artificially delaying things.  You are making us look bad and making yourselves look bad.

There is simply no reason not to release final code as soon as possible to TechNet and MSDN.  This is EXACTLY why companies are paying good money for these services.

This situation is inexcusable and Microsoft needs to stop waffling about "delivering a great experience" and release the code to TechNet and MSDN.  Blogs are about brutal honesty.  BS about "delivering a great experience" is clearly corpspeak and not honesty.  You very clearly are NOT listening.

@Mike Nash

Firstly I appoligise to the comment made on the "Announcing the RTM of Windows Vista SP1" link you made on the 4th Feb about releasing it.  

There are alot of technicial customers who are installing different versions and there is alot of 'talk' on forums saying 'this is RTM build' 'No, this is the RTM build' e.t.c.  

Can you confirm the full Internal 'BUILD' number or is this not allowed?  This would be great as then we would all know what not to install from fake links?  

Many Regards, Andrew

@rmcardle

Question driver????????

Yes.  Please confirm the full internal build number(s) and the MD5 checksum(s) and your customers can do what they need to without the help you're apparently not going to give us anyway.

@dovella

> "Question driver????????"

Huh?  I don't understand.

I didn't even notice any driver issues with the RC, I don't think...  It worked fine on my PC at work.  I had issues on my laptop and desktop.  My laptop is now working with the RC because I had to uninstall McAfee first.  There was some issue with the refresh where it would not allow windows to boot after the second step of the install, so that might have been a driver issue I guess...  After a couple failed installs on my desktop at home I gave up because I realized that my backups doesn't restore correctly on that machine, so I am waiting until the RTM.  The problem could have also been with McAfee on there too..

I hope it fixes some stability issues I have been having with x64 Ultimate where a program can have an error and lock up my system, so the only thing I can do is log off, restart, or shut down...guess I won't know for a while, but it would be nice to have a reliability rating of more than 1.23 on my laptop...

@ rmcardle

There are incompatible  drivers With Sp1

or Noth Mr N. White?????

There is an interesting post over at teched.indepthtalk.net

I received the following email from Microsoft with regards to my many questions last week about the Vista

Hello, In case you haven’t seen it there is an update in Mike Nash’s blog related to SP1 availability.

@ tjmk24

chi me lo garantisce che sia la versione finale???

You said you made SP1 available to beta testers. As someone who is typing this on RC1, where do I find the upgrade?

@wwahammy

We don't matter...  Only the people who registered through connect do..

I have using RC1 as well and cannot find the update and it does not show up as available on win update....

Vista SP1 works great for me, I got! All though it by looking thru search on a different website not thru what is suggested.  I couldn't wait for them to download sp1 for the general public.  Microsoft should make it avaialable to all NOW!

I guess the other question is "What drivers?" I presume that when it hits MSDN you will identify the culprits; how else could we evaluate it?

I jak obiecałem - mam dla Was nowe wiadomości w sprawie dostępności Windows Vista Service Pack 1 dla

Mike Nash just announced on the Windows Vista Team Blog some specific availability dates for Windows

Windows Vista SP1 availability for technical customers Teh Windows Vista Team is going to make SP1...

http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2008/02/11/windows-vista-sp1-availability-for

I posted this on Keith Combs blog too, he suggests its better here.  He says he's being told there are "Darn good reasons" for not releasing right away.  My response is this:

I'm not believing there are darn good reasons for holding back the release, if there were darn good reasons your senior management would share them with you and you'd be free to share them with us.  That's how darn good reasons work, they're transparent to just about everyone and once they know them just about everyone says, "Hey, that's a darn good reason."

Secret darn good reasons are usually bad reasons or no reasons at all and are kept secret because they will not stand the light of day.

I believe there may be reasons why some big OEM's with which you wish to maintain good relations want the release delayed.  I do not believe there are any reasons the majority of your customers would believe is a good reason to withhold the release.

So it comes down to this, you guys are screwing the installed base so some of your OEM partners can look better.  If it ain't so, then come clean about the real reasons.

@shollomon

Why OEM wonts this????

So they roll out fixes first or are not flooded with support calls because people upgrade and their drivers don't work.  I don't have any information, but think about the trouble it would cause, say HP if their system board drivers had difficulty with SP1.

I still think you guys should make a manual download of SP1 available for anyone. Really, if you think about it, the people that manually install it will be more technically knowledgable (at least most of them) and will be able to fix any driver issues that may ensue. Also, Put a notice on the page to manually download it from notifying people of the issues, and list the drivers that are known to have the issue. C'mon, put a little more trust in the more technical users that don't have MSDN or TechNet subscriptions.

You speak, Microsoft listens… http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2008/02/11

incredible this SP1 SPy Story

Driver issues?  Come on.  The #1 reason people give for not upgrading to Vista in the first place is driver issues.  Is MSFT, with an additional 3-4 weeks, going to magically fix all those driver issues that have gone unresolved (largely due to vendors in the first place) for over  year?  I highly doubt it.

I've installed the RTM code on 6 different PC's (one a dual boot, so 7 different installs, one of which is 64-bit) and have not had a single driver or other issue.  There is no reason to delay the public availability any longer.

@Hurricane Andrew  

you are sure 100% you have real RTM?????????''

Windows Vista SP1 のTechNetやMSDN Subscriber Downloadでの会員向け公開は、2008年2月末予定

Still not good enough. I am not a member of the press nor do I have a MSDN or Technet subsciption so I am forced to wait until mid martch. Why because I dont write about microsoft or I havent paid to a subscription to a service I dont need. Does this make me less technically competent ? Well according to Microsoft it does. Make the download available to the public that want to download it. I guess its time to hit the torrents and cover yet another poor effort by the Vista team.

Sorry Mr Nash but are you trying to kid me/us? Later this month to MSDN and TechNet Plus Subscriber??? And administrators / companys without a subsciption? Thats a bad joke! You tell us Microsoft will not change ANYTHING till the release to all but you don’t make it available to all interested admins / experienced users??? C’mon tell us the true reason of this delay or at least confirm that the registry tweak installs the real RTM SP1 via windows update.

För jag antar att du som läser min blogg är antingen MSDN eller TechNet prenumerant? Man får väldigt

Late Friday we made SP1 RTM available to individuals and companies who participated in the SP1 beta program

Dear Mr. Nash,

The following are genuine questions and observations. I must say, your stated goals and subsequent actions are completely inconsistent with one another. I'm just trying gauge how stupid you think we really are. So here it goes:

Did you and your team NOT anticipate the backlash of announcing the RTM release and then delaying the release for everyone else? Seriously, are you that removed from the average and not so average user? This isn't a question of your reasons for the delay. It's a question of your complete lack of common sense and understanding of human psychology. If you and your team DID anticipate this reaction, as any sentient being would, then why did you do it?

No, I don't think you're listening as you claim. You're simply spewing out the standard corporate rhetoric and not being forthright in your so-called "explanation", but then we should expected that, right? Do you really think this "Blog Post" does anything to mollify your truly imbecilic move in announcing the February RTM release? YOU'VE ACTUALLY MADE IT WORSE!

I don't expect you to answer me or anyone else responding to this "post" because what you're doing is nothing other than providing a PR firewall for Microsoft – an ineffective one at that. Blogs as you know are an interactive medium, that is, you interact with your readers and not just make proclamations from on-high.

I have no problem waiting for SP1 until kingdom come. What really chaps my derriere is your insulting display of "...address[ing] the needs of our customers while delivering the best experience." Do you really think anyone buys that crap?

@dovella

Yes.

You can download Vista SP1 RC refresh 2 (build 6001.1800) which is RTM. Just run the registry patch and you're set, get it via Windows Update.

@Hurricane Andrew

Can only understand as you make to having sp1 RTM.

Torrent?

Scipt?

Why would anyone who is technical be running Vista?

@boe

..Because Vista is an enhanced version of XP with lots more features.

On the other hand there is mac OSX and Linux.  If a user wants 'Simplicity - OSX', 'Technical - Linux', 'Both - Vista'

Andrew

Stability, security and ease of use. It's a good OS once you get to know it.

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I just got back from a nice family vacation to Florida (Orlando & Cocoa Beach). The weather was fabulous

Yes,I have been running the SP1 Beta since the day it was released to the public,yet I am not considered a beta tester since i didnt do it through the completely stupidly designed connect website? I've put up with this beta garbage this long and i don't even get to download it before the general public? Screw you guys then,time to buy a Mac.

You may as well download service pack 1 via other known torrent places.  Guess it is the only way for us the general public to aquire it.  Even though I know many of us don't but why wait for a more trusted website like microsoft.com to release it to us!  I have it from those other so called sites, and it works great, a lot faster, more relizble just like they said.  I did not however had any driver or driver related issues download it. Those places give you a cmd script that you use, then download via microsoft update!

Who do I harass about my RTM SP1, I did it through connect.microsoft.com and then did the upgrade to Windows Update version.

When I go to the Connect site it is not listed as available. I would like access to it...

I mean I have to wait until "later this month" to get it via Technet so getting it by Connect would be good!

Leonard...

Microsoft says "No soup for you!"

I will bite my tongue no more.

Let us download the damn software from a "trusted" source. Release the software to Technet.

Your reasoning for not releasing it is noted; and unacceptable.

Subscriber....for now

I don't know what else it's gonna take for you guys to get the message - actually, several messages (including the one that the army of knowledgeable amateurs who provide helpdesk services to family and friends are no less significant than paid up members of Connect/TechNet Plus etc - many of us also beta testers putting time and effort into the forums). OK, hold off on the WU distribution for while, I can understand the sense in that; but make it available to those of us who know where to go and what to do, who know what we're doing and who lead implementation in suburbia - not the corporate world (although many of us are part of that too). And, whom, I might add, actually have to pay retail prices for your software. It's a different world from 10-15 years ago. Whether you like it or not, you have a different relationship with your multitude of customers (in all their diversity). Listen to us; read these postings (well, most of 'em anyway); go figure....

what I still don't get is why it isn't being released to the public, if it's done! That makes no sense to me. I have a few problems with my PC running Vista Ultimate that I hope SP1 will fix and I really can't wait for it. So I beg of you, PLEASE RELEASE IT SOONER THAN MID-MARCH!!!

If you care, my WMI is screwed up and it can't access my computer's setup which pisses me off.

Anyway, RELEASE SP1!!

SPEAK UP THOSE WHO AGREE!!!

Hey guys (Mike) - Do you know when a FULL version of Vista Ultimate x64 SP1 will be available on technet or at retail (retail/oem dvd).

How long before we can get a hold of full Vista with SP1 included?

Thanks.

Please give me a shout at dzjepp<at>gmail.com if you have the answer.

I'll tell you why they are not releasing yet.  This breaks some drivers installed used by one or more of their big OEM partners.  The OEM's said,"If you release this our help desks will be swamped, it'll cost us lots of money and plenty of bad press.  Give us time to push out new drivers before you release."

MS decided that the OEM(s) were their customers, not us and acted in the OEM's interests and contrary to the interests of their end users.  The customer experience they are interested in maximizing is the customer experience of their OEMs.

Sucks.

It is good that MS is showing some flexibility in letting some users download SP1 before mid-March, However, I will not be able to and I am upset. I am a hobbyist/system builder and own several legal copies of Vista that cost a lot of money. I am perfectly capable of troubleshooting any driver issues that I may encounter and am willing to take the “risk” of installing the “final code.”

I can't believe how much whining there is on here. Quit your sobbing. Sound like a bunch of end users.

 So you have to wait to get SP1, you've obviously waited until now, so what, wait a short time longer and carry on.

 If anybody worth their salt in IT knows, you test in the lab (MS internal), then pilot to your technical power users (technet,MSDN, beta testers ect) and then the community. You can only test so much internally before slowly rolling out to the masses. Us beta testers and technical power users can recover quickly if problems(WIM backups,complete backups, driver recovery, troubleshooting tools ect) and know testing techniques to submit bugs.

  Not everybody has a subsciption to MSDN or Technet plus, but beta testing is open to all. If your not part of these groups, you wait..period!

  Everything slips, Apple, Adobe, Google apps. When your user base is 100's of millions and growing, you bet their going to do was is best for the majority.

  And no I'm not Microsoft, just a partner making a living off their great products.

Troy

...I can't stand it!

I don't understand microsoft release-policies anymore! As an EA-corporate customer, I'm eager to prepare and test our internal programs against SP1-RTM. Therefore I’m also paying for MSDN-access to get _early_ access to new technologies. And now I still have to wait more than two weeks? Come on! This could be serious!

Maybe holding back windows-update release is wise - but PROVIDE THE TECHNICAL CHANNELS NOW!!!

JH.

Last week Microsoft announced SP1 for Vista to the world , but then said some device drivers were causing

Windows Vista Team Blog : Windows Vista SP1 availability for technical customers: http://windowsvistablog

Last week we RTM&#39;d the SP1 release of Vista. I installed it, and have to say that this is a major

I have reed a home page,insite information from microsoft i think, and som on tell ,microsoft still have problems wit vista sp1, and all this talk at sp1 is fake, Microsoft will have more time to loss problems wit sp1, and therefore, i don't trust microsoft morre, deer friends bay APPEL computer, and you vill not have this not,truu storys, you no  microsoft is a money machine, think over this ????????

Windows Vista Team Blog : Windows Vista SP1 availability for technical customers: http://windowsvistablog

way do you think ,availability for technical, way not public, because microsoft still have problems

I received private message asking for the availability of Vista SP1 and XP SP3 and the person is looking

I provided Eileen with a quote to use in the Management Excellence programme she's been involved in.&#160;

something is wrong, microsoft will not direct speech about vista sp1, i have phone to microsoft tech net, i am TechNet Plus Subscriber, and have a serious opportunity to talk and chat et al, TechNet Subscriber Support.

She did not know what to think of the situation and he vill not at all talk about vista sp1 ,

There is something weird going on here ...

I'll reiterate what I said in the TechNet Plus Blog:

"Having Windows Server 2008 RTM up on TechNet but not Vista SP1 suggests that there isn't a consistent set of processes organisation-wide for releases.

Microsoft have good consistent processes in place for product support within the SDLC, but the inconsistency with 2008 and Vista SP1 highlights a need for releases to be also consistently handled within the SDLC across all products. There should be defined order in releasing across all channels - i.e. RTM, retail build, RTW (including TechNet, MSDN, MVLS, WU, download servers), Partner offerings, etc. This order should also be publicly available, like the support offerings, so that people understand where the product release is up to and when they can roughly see when their preferred method becomes available."

While I understand there are some specific driver issues with SP1 (which means it's not really ready for GA, but TechNet/MSDN may be OK), this type of event should be catered for in a proper release deployment process that's consistent across products.

So how about it Mike? Up for championing consistent release processes occurring across multiple products? I'd have to say if they were in place, you wouldn't be in the pickle you're in at the moment - one, because this sort-of-RTM wouldn't have happened and two, most people (including Microsoft staffers) would know which distribution channel would be next to get it (i.e. TechNet or MSDN or whatever) with an approximate timeframe.

With regard to why I am so chapped about the non-release of SP1:

I bought an operating system from Microsoft with problems Microsoft thought were worth spending a lot of time and money to fix.  I agree the problems are significant and want them fixed on my system.  Microsoft says SP1 will fix the problems.  I want the fixes now when Microsoft says they are ready, not in six more weeks.

Neither unreasonable or whining.  The reason you buy closed source is so you can hold the vendor accountable.  Microsoft needs to be accountable to me, the customer, and release the SP1 now that they say its ready.

I think anyone who comments here should be competent enough to deal with any of the issues with SP1.  If there are people who aren’t, it would probably be a good experience…just make sure you have a backup you can restore to.. :)

Kind of a hypocritical excuse for not releasing don’t you think?  You have a few driver problems with it, so it won’t be released until March.  Yet you stated that the code is locked in, and nothing would be changed in that time.  So what is the real reason?

Microsoft stop making excuses if there are companies who's drivers are causing problems give us a list and we will pressure them with emails .They have had plenty of time to get ready and have obviously dragged their feet on this. So what if they are not ready by march are you going to put us off another 6 weeks.Just put it on Microsoft.com and let us who want it, use it at are own risk and stop making lame excuses and telling us your listening because if you were listening you would release it. I can handle a few driver issues and who knows maybe I don't even have any of these drivers on my PC but then I would not know because you won't even give us a list of the offending drivers maybe someday there will be an operating system that can compete with windows and then you won't get away with this kind of behavior .

I'm sorry to say, this is really *CRAP*.  I am NOT a bomb-thrower -- this is the best description I can conjure.

It is beyond me how you can leave MSDN subscribers out in the cold.  

This is NOT the way to correct a mistake, it's a way to say "MSDN subscribers are third-class citizens".

As a small business owner, I pay for the full MSDN subscription out of my pocket -- there is no big company doing it for me.  I pay for it in order to access the latest of everything as soon as it's available.

You're telling me that it's OK to have the RTM of Windows Server 2008, but I have to *wait* until "the end of the month" to get a SERVICE PACK for Vista?!

This is crap, crap, crap, and I'm tired of spending thousands of dollars a year to be treated like a third-class citizen.

BTW, I also beta tested SP1, but I guess somehow I did not rate a golden ticket to the precious SP1 release.

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