Do you know what really gets my goat about this microsoft SP?  It's the EULA.  Don't get me wrong, I like microsoft products, they're polished and user friendly.  But to give me a service pack (essential to stay up to date) and then have the audacity to tell me what I can or cannot connect to it!  It made me FURIOUS (hence the caps).  Now listen, you don't own my hardware, you don't own what I connect to it.  As far as I'm concerned an operating system is exactly that - flawlessly interfacing with the hardware and network envirnment.  What am I going to deal with next - plugging in a non-windows printer will invalidate your license???

I'd really like another checkbox added.  "I agree to the terms", and "I agree under duress because I have to".

I've never used pirated software and don't agree with those that do.  I support good software companies by actually buying the product.  I don't expect to have this kind of thing shoved down my throat in future.  Thanks.

Thanks for posting.  I have today been to Vista Support and Dell Support trying to be sure that I have not missed the automatic download because of driver issues.  This post means that I can have patience.  Vista has been great for me.

I have to say, it's amazing to me that Microsoft has not provided a tool to pinpoint any possible drivers problems.  Obviously Windows Update knwos when there ARE problems, so why not a) say which driver(s) are the problem, b) point to an updated driver.

While I might be able to figure it out, I challenge John Q. Public to do so.

Let's assume you're correct on that.  Let's talk about people like me.  Do you know how many hoops I had to just through to find a driver for my M1710 laptop?  I still haven't gotten a response from Dell for my XPS Gen 2.

Why should I have to check the version numbers of driver files (which is what I did) to figure out which one is the offending culprit.  While I was able to do it, it seems to me that a program could easily be written to check for the offending files and at least point them out, so users don't have to go through Windows Explorer and check version info.

Additionally, once you figure out the file, it ain't easy to get the OEM to provide an update, esp. for laptops.

I would posit that since Microsoft was aware of these issues, they should have had "generic" driver updates available via Windows Update when SP1 was available.

Am I to understand that if SP1 hasn't shown up as an available update when I try to actively update, then it also won't ever auto-update for me? If that is the case, it would be much, much more intuitive if instead of Vista/WU pretending SP1 doesn't exist to a user's world, there was some kind of notice to the user about this? I'm trying to look at this from the perspective of John Q who doesn't know what SP1 even is but just knows his PC is set up to autoupdate. If the OS doesn't communicate an update issue to the user, and the user expects updates to happen automatically, how is the user supposed to get an updated OS?

BTW: I'm one of those who had Realtek issues, but even after verifying every item in that check list doesn't apply to my machine, I still don't have the SP showing up and frankly have no idea how it's ever going to end up on my machine (I'm even contemplating moving over to a Windows 7 CTP when it shows up on MSDN since at least it'll be progress). (I did call tech support but got tired of the hold time)

Check out the Windows Vista Team blog: Automatic distribution of Windows Vista SP1 begins today

As a new costumer of Vista I really have one question?

How the heck do I use it?

I've had problems with webpages, email, ect. any suggestions.

I received the mail today that Microsoft have begun automatic distribution of windows vista SP1 in English,

pingback from: http://www.winsupportforum.de/forum/news/547-vista-sp1-nun-auch-als-automatisches-update.html

Brandon: My drivers are all up-to-date. I did cross-ref my machine with the KB list. I think the only step I have left is to call tech support (once I get the patience back to sit through the hold time). But my point is that let's say someone has auto-update turned on (like me), has correctly-versioned drivers (like me), etc. but SP1 is not available. Is there some point - let's say a year from now - where Vista would alert or in some other active fashion communicate to the user that crucial updates have been disabled for them for a year and is thus holding up other updates? Or at some point, will you deactivate the "Hide SP1 from certain machines" feature one day?

I agree with rkpatrick and Iria.  I don't mind waiting for Windows Update to let me know that it's now available for my machine, but how long should I wait until I start getting concerned that the update has past me by?  A month?  3 months?

BTW... I'm one of the "victims" of out of date SigmaTel drivers.  Or, should I say, that is the only issue that I am aware of.

To Brandon:

I had installed the RC release SP1 and it runs fine and you told me to uninstall in order to reinstall the final SP1 which I was going to do but the RC does not show up in the add/remove programs anywhere has anyone else ran into this problem?

Just purchased a new Lenovo T61p notebook with Vista Ultimate pre-installed. Cannot seem to get Windows Update to even offer me SP1. Yet it did so weeks ago on my desktop. Lenovo C.S. no help. What's going on here?

Fredzio

ziohome@nc.rr.com

PingBack from:

http://windowsaddict.blogspot.com/2008/04/windows-vista-sp1-released-to-automatic.html

C'est aujourd'hui que commence le déploiement de Vista SP1 en français via Automatic Update

Any word on when the Sigma Tel drivers will be updated?    Ann

Microsoft flipped the switch Thursday to start automatically upgrading some copies of Windows Vista to

I sure agree with Iria that if I have a driver that Vista marks as a problem it should tell me. As far as I know all my drivers are up to date so I suppose I will never get the service pack. It just does not make sense to me.  

Hey!!!! I have Ultimate and I like it. But, where are the EXCLUSIVES and the EXTRAS?

Will they be shipped with Windows 7? Will I have to pay another $200+ next year for Windows 7 "Ultimate"?

It is not fair, really.

Besides, SP1 now make my PC freeze when I change the video card settings. And that did not happen before.

:(

Hi Brandon -

Remember me? ;0)

What's the real deal with the SigmaTel Drivers?

I'm really tired of waiting.

:0)

Telling us that the updated drivers will be out eventually is not comforting. I waited over a year for SP1 ... that was eventually. Now I have to wait ... eventually ... for updated drivers so I can install, what will be when occurs, an out of date update? Yes. It's just that crazy.

Also hearing that Windows 7 is built on Vista doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy either.

Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (SP1) als automatisches Update

HELP ME, Please!!! I just downloaded the sp1 update at 0800 this morning and my sony vaio continually reboots.  i always have automatic updates on and everything was working well until now.  I can not boot in safe mode (it takes me to the same "Installing sp1 3 of 3 100%" screen.  What do I do?

Hello Mr. Flores,

I'd just like to say I think Microsoft and its Windows Vista team should be nothing short of ashamed for having released such a dysfunctional, problem-ridden OS. I'm lucky if I can get my brand new Dell laptop to shut down, and when it does, nine times out of 10, I get an error message upon rebooting.

Now, making matters worse, we learn that delivery of Vista SP1, promised for weeks in mid-April to Windows Automative Update users, may be postponed several more weeks for most users, and that when it finally is installed, it may not work anyway because of hardware incompatibility issues.

Is this some sort of joke? In traditional business models, there is a phase called "testing" that comes into play somewhere between "development" and "making cash hand over fist". There's also the concept of developing trusting relationships with clients by delivering on promises. I respectfully and sincerely hope this Windows Vista spectacle will inspire serious reflection and organizational change within Microsoft.

The entire Windows team seems completely dysfunctional at the moment. Service packs that are late, bug-ridden, only work in some languages, and don't work with computers bearing Vista compatible. The lack of any meaningful extras is also bordering on fraud. It's a continual game of wait, disappointment, wait, disappointment.

Never in the history of Microsoft have I witnessed such disregard for customers. I thought they would have cleaned this processs up a few months ago, but I see nothing changes at Microsoft. No customer is too good to change process that clearly doesn't work.

Using Google, If you type in:

"I hate Mac" you get 755000 hits

"I hate Vista" you get 760000 hits

"I hate Osx" you get 579000 hits

"I hate xp" 305000

There is way too much hate.

Some Xp headlines were" my cdrom doesn't work, my nic card won't work, etc. Is this XP or Vista. XP pryer to SP1 and Sp2 had driver problems.

Every operating system has problems. Every card manufacture comes up with some weird driver. As os's upgrade will require system upgrades. I tried to load Windows 95 on an old hard drive for kick's and  to see how it compaired to XP and VISTA. Guess what I can't get drivers for my video etc for 95.

If your spending the money for Vista upgrade you can't have both. I had to buy a lot of "new stuff" for XP to function well.

If you hate Vista buy something else to hate.

Lighten up

Oldguy28...well said!

I like Vista but I do wish the Sigma Tel driver issue is soon resolved, I'm anxious to have SP1 offered in updates.   Ann

Brandon -

Kindly respond concerning my post of 4/25/2008.

(Re: SigmaTel Audio Drivers)

Thank you.

Still cannot get SP1 for Vista. Creative Labs say they are trying to work with Microsoft.WOW!

Dear Bernard,

Thank you for contacting Creative Labs Technical Support.

With regard to your enquiry, we have escalated this issue and our

engineer's are working with Microsoft on this matter.

In case if you need any clarification, please do not hesitate to contact

us.

Please retain all the previous correspondence when replying to this

email.

Best Regards,

Nagaraj

Technical Support

Creative Labs Americas

I've had little or no complaints about Vista since I've had it (pre-installed on my hp pavilion dv2000 series)... until now... Since downloading SP1 through Win Updates - I've had nothing but problems:

-computer freezing

-unable to shutdown properly

-unable to restart/startup

-restart taking an unusually long time

-fix startup option freezing

-failure to awake from sleep

Please advise.

Chris,

What's the deal with the SigmaTel drivers?

It's insulting to continually see new posts by the windows team while so many, many issues are still being unresolved. What's going on at Microsoft? Is it a bunch of chickens running around with their heads cut off over there or what?

Chris, This whole (un)service pack is in an abyssmal state of affairs at the moment, and you're in charge. FIX IT NOW or get the hell out of the way.

I know this post is an "offline" post...but i  must tell you th problem i'm encountering.....i'm using a gateway , 160GB,1Gig RAM, with Intel scentrino Duo, i have window vista home premium installed on it, just of recent , i just dont know what really happen, it developed a fault, wherby, on start up, it wont load the windows, and after i'd done a little troubleshooting on it, infact that makes it worst, i'd wanted to do a system restore, and it requested i do a back up, then i clicked on it....but on that process,, the battery ran out so my system went off, and on booting up later, it  cldnt locate "C: any longer...and infact on a normal booting.....it complain of "BOOTMGR  is missing" and now i'm more confused...

    PLz i'll need your help to help me solve this problem, you can email me on fm4real2k6@hotmail.com , or rather chat with me on "fm4real2k6" on yahoo messager....i just want to know if there is any DOS program that can un -BACK UP my C:, and also "se it free...lol....i'll be expecting your responce....thanks

john

---Compumind and StephenReynolds, we continue to work with partners in providing updated device drivers so that folks can install Windows Vista SP1 who have some of the problematic drivers we've listed. When we have new information to share we will share it of course. Everyone understands folks want to be able to install SP1.---

It's been well over an $#%##%$ing YEAR now. The RTM build of the service pack was finished LAST YEAR. We still have no information. I couldn't give a crap about SP1. I just want my computer to work and play sound - something I was able to do with a mockingboard on my Apple II plus 30 years ago. I do not feel I am out of line or that this is too much to ask for a "Vista Capable" stickered laptop. You can spin Vista however you want, but this whole "wow" experience is just a big turd.

StephenReynolds, while we continue to work with partners to provide updated drivers for folks - we will continue to create blog posts for this blog. I apologize if you find this insulting. Our readers expect to see regular content here so that is what we will continue to do.

Origami announcements? Glad Microsoft devoted their resources to getting THAT project done when there are still major gaping problems with their other product line. Yes, it is insulting when I see that people have been begging for answers for months with no real indication of any progression.

These forums are worthless.

Regarding Sigma Tel, it is interesting to note that the Sigma Tel folks posted on their website that their drivers work fine with SP1. They suggested uninstalling the drivers, installing SP1 and reinstalling the drivers afterwards. Works in theory excpet Plug & Play gets in the way of that.

My point though is just how closely is Microsoft working with Sigma Tel if Microsoft says there's a problem and Sigma Tel says there's not?

The love side of Vista. Google site not Not MSN. To be fair.

I love Vista 2,020,000 hits

I love OSX 1,420,000 hits

I love Microsoft 72,300,000 hits

I love Apple 18,100,000 hits

I love Vista SP1 1,970,000 hits

More people like Vista than OSX.

About 2 million people have no problem with Vista SP1.

Hi Brandon:

You said -

"Compumind and StephenReynolds, we continue to work with partners in providing updated device drivers so that folks can install Windows Vista SP1 who have some of the problematic drivers we've listed. When we have new information to share we will share it of course. Everyone understands folks want to be able to install SP1."

This is pure BS. I *NEED* to install SP1 due tho the basic failures in Vista. I had asked you for a status report about SigmaTel, not a canned copy n' paste response.

Perhaps the tech MEDIA need to know what is going on here and I intend to do just that!

:0((

-So no - it hasn't been well over a year and no Windows Vista SP1 was not finished "last year".-

Brandon, what are you talking about? Vista was released at the beginning of 2007. That's 16 months. The RTM is the SAME build number as the RC code which was finished late last year on Dec 12, 2007. That's it. That's the EXACT SAME CODE that the RTM is now. Nothing has changed, so it's been almost 5 months since both the RC and RTM code is the same.

Whatever the case...even if you want to spin this as final on Feb 4th, then it's been almost 2 months with no updates other than the tiresome "we're working with our partners..." which could be another 5 years from now for all we know from your verbose responses.

-Also: the Origami software is a group of folks who have nothing to do with the work being done on any service pack for Windows-

Yep. That's EXACTLY my point.

Hello Brandon -

Nothing that I had mentioned should be construed as either unconstructive and/or disrespectful.

However...

I am just truly *AMAZED* that Vista SP1 could even be released, with Microsoft knowing that the SigmaTel (driver) user base is vast.

To me this is BS and I stand by this comment.

It should not be that difficult for both the driver vendor and your company to get this problem totally resolved.

At the very least, kindly provide an ETA for resolution, so people, like myself, can plan  alternative measures.

As for the Tech Media, it is already known that there are several Vista SP1 install problems.

I added my feelings to the Blogosphere and feel that everyone affected should do the same.

Thank you.

Hmmmm... IDT, successor to SigmaTel, has workaround instruction for this issue posted on their Web site. The words they use indicate that this is not their problem, that their drivers work correctly, and they have no responsibility for this issue.

Looks like a stalemate to me, so I guess that, unless I am willing to risk taking the manual steps necessary, I'll never receive Vista SP1.

Here's the link to the IDT (Sigma Tel) blurb about the audio drivers and SP1 ... FYI Microsoft

http://www.idt.com/?app=knowledgebase&contentID=4836&parentID=4836&parentPath=1210-3638-3639-4836

Just an FYI,

For fun I downloaded and installed the Windows 2008 server trial version.

Wow. What a difference. Time to logon screen is 30 seconds or less and a fully usable desktop in less than 60 seconds. SigmaTel sound worked right out of the box and continued to work after the updates. Mouse, and wireless all work with not a single issue. Copying 5 MB of files from my usb key was so fast I never even saw a progress bar - just flashed onto my desktop. Not a single blue screen or crash.

Honestly...this is the desktop we've all been asking for and addressed all of my Vista HW/performance issues I've been having. Kudos to the server team. You really knocked the ball out of the park with Server 2008. I have no idea what the problem is with Vista, but Server 2008 does indeed show that the same core services of the new Vista model really do work very well when applied correctly.

Happy Snoopy Dance at last!

:)

Hi all:

I find it interesting that IDT (SigmaTel) has a possible fix on their web site for SP1!

One would think that they would communicate with Microsoft and have them post it *FIRST*, but this is not the case.

What about the average user?

Microsoft needs to have this done via Windows Update, completely without user intervention.

Ceinach, your observation with Windows Server 2008 is interesting, but it is not practical or warranted for the desktop/laptop, which should be running Vista Client.

Brandon/Chris, what are your thoughts?

Is the MS validated fix near?

Hi Kingsize,

Many EULA contain parts that nobody would agree to unless forced to because they are so one sided.  These terms are pretty unconscionable, in which case those specific parts of the EULA may not be completely legal in some countries.

However if you don't like Microsoft updating your machine, then you can always disable automatic updates.

Microsoft isnt the only company that occassionally has EULA issue, Apple does to:

http://www.thelegality.com/archives/58

http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/04/mac_clone_maker.html

I'ld try not to get to worked up about an EULA, does anyone read them anyway... probably only IT admins!

This article is pretty interesting to:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2243185,00.asp

I'm staying tuned and keeping my fingers crossed, thanks Brandon for the update.   Ann

Don't worry guys! Just dump Vista and stick with XP for the next year! Or in other words did you forget the XP release!? I for myself NEVER buy any microsoft product/software before it was not bug-fixed for at least 2-3 years! Then after this 2-3 years you can expect to get a "ok" version even suitable for an advanced average joe! lol

GL,

Wahahahahah ;-)

Als zwei der „liegengebliebenen” Themen wollte ich eigentlich �ber die automatische Verteilung des Vista SP1 per Windows Update und die RTM-Version des Service Pack 3 f�r Windows XP berichten. Nun hat Microsoft aber festgestellt, dass sowoh

I downloaded XP SP3 on one of my desktops and notebooks yesterday  and here it is several weeks since Vista SP1 has been released and I still am not able to get the update. As far as I know I am still waiting for the driver from Creative Labs. Makes one wonder about Vista.  

After giving Microsoft the benefit of the doubt and waiting for SP1, I found that I can't install SP1 because of Sigma Tel driver conflicts. The slow pace at getting that resolved was the last straw. I am migrating everything back to XP Pro and removing Vista now.

InfoWorld has a campaign to save XP. Let your voice be heard. Go to http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/ for info.

I'm watching and waiting Brandon!!!  Thanks for the post.   Ann

Same here, Brandon.

I won't even go to the restroom!

;0)

I have 4 STWRT files but none with the modified date of 12/17/07.

I don't know if they will block SP1,guess I'll just wait and see.

Thanks for the info Brandon.   Ann

Brandon,

Thanks for keeping us up-to-date on the

progress on the SigmaTel/IDT sound drivers,

it's very appreciated!

I just updated my x64 Vista Ultimate box

from Windows Update and the drivers are

working fine.

However I am not yet seeing SP1 available for

my system, even after a reboot.  I checked all

the other drivers in the KB948343 but do not

see any other impediments here.  Is there a

delay in the filters themselves being updated

after the driver was made available?

Thanks

Can someone please help???

I tried installing Vista Service pack 1 today, and when it installed section 1 of 3, it shut down. When i restart it, it says that there may have been a hardware/software problem. I tried to start it up, and it auto-shuts down after the Loading bar for Vista comes up. I have tried to run it in safe mode and it will not load the OS. HELP!! (please?!?!)

My Comment is stupid, really. It isn't about SP1, just Windows Vista only, I just don't know where to find it; I write here, hope people will help!

It's about font smoothing in Windows Vista, what happen to it? Font Smoothing only improves text at higher size, but bad at smaller size; Font Smoothing with ClearType worse, improves text at smaller size BUT it didn't smooth at higher size. The easiest way to check is zoom web page in IE. This also has in Windows XP and also in Windows Vista it wasn't improved. Except in Office's applications like Word, Font at higher size is smoothed, beautifully. Also if you try to view OpenType (.OTF) Font File, it is smoothed to... But when view TrueType (.TTF) Font File (In Both 2 TrueType and OpenType Outlines), it isn't smoothed... Can someone explain me why? Will it be fixed in Windows 7??